Which Quad rad will fit? TJ07

[PhoenixDance]

Hey all

Im going to be replaceing my ThermoChill PA 120.3 with a Quad rad but i need to know which ones fit. I have a TJ07

I cant use a PSU mount on mine because with the fans the PA is so thick the PSU hardly has 1mm at the side so its squashed up against the case wall.
This annoys me greatly because i have a nice shiny back plate i want to use!

SO i want a Quad rad that is "thinner" then the PA and gives the same performance and i can fit it in the same place.

What we got out there that will do it?
I saw this on ebay... will it work?
http://www.ebay.co.u...=item19ceb21bea

[musicfan]

Hi Phoenix,

Wow the Thermochill is quite a performer. Skinnee tested it here and also measured the depth at 60 mm.

What you have on eBay is the XSPC RX, which also measures about the same as the Thermochill PA. The XSPC comes in at 63 mm according to the XSPC site. That is a good rad and good price (if it doesn't leak) but won't be any thinner than your Thermochill.

If you only needed 4 or 5 mm, you might try the HW Labs Black Ice SR-1, which measures around 55 mm. But that sounds too close.

The safest thing is to get either the XSPC EX or the Swiftech MCR-QP because you know they will fit. Neither will perform as well as the Thermochill PA (not much does). You might look at the Parts sticky radiator section (part 6). The dimensions are on the far right of the table and will give you an idea of radiator thickness. The 120.3 and 120.4 rad are the same thickness if you choose the same model - only the length differs.

Please ask any questions. Good luck.

[PhoenixDance]

Thanks Mate
I saw this one in the UK :
http://www.watercoolinguk.co.uk/p/Al...0mm_22842.html

What would your judgement be on that one?
Its not to costly and its 45mm so would fit nicely and more room for my pump to breath (along with fitting the psu correctly).

Its entire copper design aswell so should perform as well as the PA120.3? being that its longer

[musicfan]

That looks like a good 120.4 rad for what you need. I like the ports too.

Here is Bundymania's testing of that rad although it was on a 120.3 model - not a 120.4. But you can compare it to the competition. What fan speed or RPM do you plan on using?

[PhoenixDance]

My fans are on a temp - speed controler.

Higher temp = higher speed but it sits at 700rpm most of the time.

That review sits the 360 version just a tad warmer then the 360 TA (new PA?) @ 600rpm fans

So in my eyes it might actually do a better job then the PA120.3 due to its extra length.

I just need to find one slightly cheaper in the Uk and i think i will place an order for one!

Thanks for your help mate

[musicfan]

Happy to help. Have fun.

[PhoenixDance]

I had a few more iPhone repairs done over the past 2 days so i had the money to blast

Was just going to buy a quad rad but ended up blowing £150 -.-

What i have on order:

AlphaCool XT45 rad Quad
TJ07 Mid plate Black
tj07 PSU plate left black
Xigmatek blue led fan (i need one more for quad rad)
BulkHead fittings (going to impliment them into new mid plate
10M of 3mm dence weave braid
10m of 4mm dence weave braid
5m of various heatshrinks
atx pin tools
wire holding clips


plans: (may make a rebuild log)

1. Dismantle pc down to bare case.
2. Make wire cuts in back of mid plate behind mobo tray.
3. investigate best place for bulk heads.
4. try various places to mount EK multi res anew.
5. Put in new rad! (yay)
6. put it all back together!

Should i make a "build log" thread and do this properly?

[musicfan]

A build-log linked from this thread would be great. I think water-coolers want to see the quad AlphaCool XT45 Rad and your fit in particular. The AlphaCool XT45 in the title of the build would help searches possibly. Water-coolers often ask about a case for a quad rad, like the TJ07.

But if you don't want to do a formal log, then please attach some pics of your build here with some narrative so we can point XT45 seekers here. Thanks.

[PhoenixDance]

I will create one then, Need a reason to play with my new Samsung Galaxy Note's Camera anyway lol

Will report back when i start the build (or rebuild as you may call it)

Additional Comment:

got a nice new Alphacool rad.

Upon shakeing it it seems to make a noise, as if something (mabey metal shaveings) are bounceing around inside..

last thing i want is that sort of thing getting into my block.

Anyone know a good way of flushing thing type of thing?

I was going to hook it up to a high pressure tap in my house and just turn it on and off a few times to see if it would flush any crap out, But wet filings would most likely stick to the walls and "sound" gone untill dry again.

Anyone got any ideas?

[musicfan]

I am going to presume you turned it upside down with the ports open to see if anything came out. Make sure there are no leaks or damage from shipping.

If all that checks out, the below are some methods to clean a rad. I have not kept up with warranty so you may want to read it or write Alphacool first. The tap method is one method described but you need to make sure your water pressure will not blow out the water-tubing in your new rad. Have fun with the new rad. Cleaning them is the worst part.

To clean a rad go here:
http://forums.extremeoverclocking.co...d.php?t=355358

Scroll down to section 12. When reading, pay careful attention to the links, which will describe methods other than the acid-bath I had to use. Good luck.

[sgore]

PhoenixDance, I'm extremely interested in how this works for you. I've been eyeing the XT45's myself for a new TJ07 build. Build log please

musicfan, I've also been considering the XT45 120.2 with the 120.4 in the bottom but I'm uncertain how much cooling it would provide back to back with the 120.4. Been researching for days and can't find anyone who's done any testing on such a configuration. You have any experience with a similar setup?

[musicfan]

Originally Posted by sgore

musicfan, I've also been considering the XT45 120.2 with the 120.4 in the bottom but I'm uncertain how much cooling it would provide back to back with the 120.4. Been researching for days and can't find anyone who's done any testing on such a configuration. You have any experience with a similar setup?

Welcome to EOCF sgore!

I am not 100% sure I understand the question. I think you are asking how much cooling you will get if you add an XT45 120.2 to a 120.4 for a total of 120.6 of XT 45. If so we are in luck. Martinm210 just completed testing a dozen rads.

The XT 45 testing is here. With an 1800 rpm fan (the Gentle Typhoon AP15 is 1850) on the 120.3 he cooled 257 Watts at a 10°C delta T. With a 120.6, you should be able to cool over 500 Watts at 1800 rpm. If you read the fine print, he actually used a Titan fan instead of an AP15 and on his V2 test bench. That makes the 500 Watts cooling very conservative. But perhaps if you read that testing you find what you seek. There are many tables and graphs.

Please ask any questions you wish. Good luck.

[sgore]

Oh I've studied Martinm210's review for several days (as well as other bits of his stellar work at Liquid Labs). My question is do you get the full efficiency of both rads when they're back to back in a 200mm wide case bottom (maximum of 60mm seperating the backs of the rads - probably closer to 50). I suspect there'll be a loss of air flow due to a slight positive pressure between the rads (fans pushing) or slight negative pressure between them (fans pulling), but I'm not sure at the low flows we're talking about. (I do commercial HVAC/R, and work with positive/negative pressure differentials often. But I don't know if that scales down.)

Alternatively, I've considered putting one rad's fans in push and the other's in pull, but that means the rad with the pulling fan is getting waste heat from the other...

And I plan to run the fans much slower than 1800 rpm. Probably well below 1000 if I can (hence over radding - plan is for a 120.3 ST30 in the top as well) on an OC'd 3930K and dual SLI 680's.

[musicfan]

If by "back to back", you mean "stacked" then the answer is no, you don't get the full efficiency. Swiftech quit making the stacker model because it didn't perform well. In Martin's XT45 testing (attached left), the "Air Out" is 8 to 9°C warmer than the air in (or ambient air) and that needs to be dissipated.

Some folks post they don't notice too much temperature change if they over-rad enough and get some distance between rads. I read these statements in threads discussing building in a big case like a Case Labs TH10 and putting both rads in the bottom chamber. They did fine. But I suspect that 50 or 60 mm will not be enough to return the exhaust air to ambient. You just over-rad any negative effects.

If you wish, please feel free to draw out your question in MS Paint if I have confused. The good news is even at a silent 600 - 1000 rpm, you can over-rad your way to a cool and quiet system.