Bye-Bye Ballmer

[indigo]

http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/85527/mi...mer-to-go.html

"Microsoft employees are arguing among themselves over who is to blame for the delay in the launch of Windows Vista. One disgruntled insider named Who da'Punk voiced his feelings in a blog posting under the heading 'Vista 2007. Fire the leadership now!'.

Last week it was announced that Vista would be delayed until November for corporate customers while the consumer versions would not appear until early 2007. There was further bad news for Microsoft customers when the company revealed that the delay in the release of Vista would have a knock on effect on the new version of Office which will also now be pushed back to 2007.

In the posting the anonymous employee complains 'We're missing the holiday sales market. Not only did we miss last year's opportunity, we're missing this year's opportunity, too'. He finally signed off with the call for heads to roll at Microsoft senior management with the comment 'People need to be fired and moved out of Microsoft today. Where's the freakin' accountability?'

The diatribe set off a lot of feeling amongst Microsoft employees with several demanding that Ballmer should head the list of people who should be fired from the company. One remarked: 'Being a 10+ year vet I feel ashamed and sad. This company is a mess on so many levels'.

Even more ****ing is the comment 'Vista - I wouldn't buy it with someone else's money. Then again what do I know, I've only been testing the dog for the last 2-3 yrs'.

However, the decision to let the Vista date slip does have its supporters within the Windows team. Another reply says 'If you had spent the last 5 years of your life grinding away to get this thing out the door, you would have realised the only thing worse than slipping the date, would have been to lay a turd in August. Those of us in the trenches see exactly what bugs are between us and shipping.'

Although the reasons for the delay are cited as beefing up the security of the product, there are said to be major problems in other areas of the code too - in particular the Media Centre (MCE) is said to be seriously flawed. One comment says 'why exactly IS MCE so bad? Didn't anyone test this puppy before kicking it out the door and having another PM party?'.

The Australian magazineSmarthouse quotes the Marketing Manager of Acer Australia as saying 'The decision to delay Vista into the consumer market will have an impact on hardware sales particularly in the Media Centre market. We have been told that Microsoft has bought in programmers from the Xbox team to work on the problems. We have also been told that up to 60 per cent of the code will have some form of re writing or changes made.' Microsoft has since vehemently denied the story.

While Microsoft struggles to get Vista in shape for its debut, here are already changes afoot at the software giant. Last Thursday, Microsoft undertook a major reshuffle of the flagship Platform Services Division (PSD). The current head of the Windows group Jim Allchin is retiring next year and his key position has been taken over by Steven Sinofsky who until now has been leading Office product development.

Although it is tempting to link the reshuffle to the recent delay in the launch of Vista, the movements in the top jobs have been planned for some time. Nevertheless, the promotion of Sinofsky who is recognised as a tougher manager than Allchin, will be due to his record of getting Office and its related products out on schedule. In contrast, the much delayed Windows Vista will be the first revision of the operating system since the release of Windows XP in 2001 and despite his announced retirement, Jim Allchin will leave as the man who couldn't get the OS out the door on time."

[gino]

Originally Posted by indigo

Even more ****ing is the comment 'Vista - I wouldn't buy it with someone else's money. Then again what do I know, I've only been testing the dog for the last 2-3 yrs'.

reason enough for anyone not to buy it, right there. scary

[huskyfan23]

Originally Posted by gino

reason enough for anyone not to buy it, right there. scary

If he didn't say something outrageous then he wouldn't have been quoted. You've gotta whore yourself to be quoted in the news nowadays.

[fbieler47]

Yes it is, and when it comes out I think it will be exactly like '95 was. One killer PITA, and I ain't talking bread here. At least they are delaying it another year( Like '95 ) until they get it right. Well I admire their courage, starting a new OS when they haven't finished all the old ones yet. Probably come out on a Blu-Ray disk so it can hold all of the patches, maybe two Blu-rays, after all they are only 50GB ea.
Linux, Here I come

[gino]

Originally Posted by huskyfan23

If he didn't say something outrageous then he wouldn't have been quoted. You've gotta whore yourself to be quoted in the news nowadays.

if I worked for Microsoft, I'd take pride in my work. it'd take a whole hell of a lot for someone to say something like that, as outrageous as it is

[blk94f150]

I'm sure that most people in Microsoft are totally up in arms over the delay

So what, they got like 3 people to say bad stuff about Microsoft? Big deal.

Like I've always said, until I see it on the 11 o'clock news, it's not news.

Mike

Edit: Gino-You and I may take pride in our work, but a good amount of people don't. They are lazy and ****ed that Gates and the like took risks and got rich the hard way. They are probably ****ed at "the man" and have mouthed off to some nothing magazine in order to get thier 15 seconds of fame in thier case.

[Aynjell]

Originally Posted by gino

if I worked for Microsoft, I'd take pride in my work. it'd take a whole hell of a lot for someone to say something like that, as outrageous as it is

When you don't make hardly any decisions, but rather, you had some money driven asshats telling you what to do instead of letting you do what you thought would be totally awesome, how could you take pride in your work, if it wasn't what you wanted to do? Trust me, if the employees had more say, we'd of already seen a new OS by now. WinFS wouldn't have been dropped, and neither would all that other crap. The guys that did the work are far less see the work that they are PROUD of get ****canned in favour of finances.

[blk94f150]

Originally Posted by Aynjell

When you don't make hardly any decisions, but rather, you had some money driven asshats telling you what to do instead of letting you do what you thought would be totally awesome, how could you take pride in your work, if it wasn't what you wanted to do? Trust me, if the employees had more say, we'd of already seen a new OS by now. WinFS wouldn't have been dropped, and neither would all that other crap. The guys that did the work are far less see the work that they are PROUD of get ****canned in favour of finances.

I don't get you people. Gates is in business to make money, not please employees. That's why it's called work. I do things at work that I don't want to do all the time.

IDK why everyone is so gung ho about a new OS anyway. XP does everything I could think of wanting it to and I'm sure that 99% of the average PC user thinks like me as well.

Mike

[_spike_]

I think this guy is stupid, Id rather wait a bit longer and get a better product then get a crappy one sooner. IE BF2.

[gino]

Originally Posted by Aynjell

When you don't make hardly any decisions, but rather, you had some money driven asshats telling you what to do instead of letting you do what you thought would be totally awesome, how could you take pride in your work, if it wasn't what you wanted to do? Trust me, if the employees had more say, we'd of already seen a new OS by now. WinFS wouldn't have been dropped, and neither would all that other crap. The guys that did the work are far less see the work that they are PROUD of get ****canned in favour of finances.

its no different for any other company. management never knows what the hell is going on, it doesn't have a single clue. its like this everywhere. I've worked for a multi-million dollar corporation for the last 5 years, I know this well. I do take pride in what I do, even if I'm working for a piece of **** boss that doesn't deserve to get the fame for it. its your life, only you can make it what it is. the grass isn't greener on the other side.

I do agree, it is sad how far some people have to go to get fame today

[BigE4u]

How the heck do you... at 20yrs old... worked for a multi-million dollar corporation for the past 5yrs starting at age 15yrs?

Looks like im getting that WinXP Forever! tatoo on my arse after all.

[gino]

Originally Posted by BigE4u

How the heck do you... at 20yrs old... worked for a multi-million dollar corporation for the past 5yrs starting at age 15yrs?

recreational tourism, its a big business when you have a mountain in your back yard in the winter. a peon after enough time can rise up in the ranks, its not that difficult with education, credentials, and most importantly contacts within. supervisory status isn't a lot, but its enough. stepping stone to managment

[Urbanfox]

Originally Posted by blk94f150

Edit: Gino-You and I may take pride in our work, but a good amount of people don't. They are lazy and ****ed that Gates and the like took risks and got rich the hard way. They are probably ****ed at "the man" and have mouthed off to some nothing magazine in order to get thier 15 seconds of fame in thier case.

Oh cmon, Gate's didn't earn his money, oh no, it fell into his lap! Hard work, risks, that's a load of crap! Which is why I am totally in favor of the new Ca bill to tax those who earn more than $400,000 for a larger percentage.

(sarcasm, but the ones that it matters to already know)

Originally Posted by Aynjell

When you don't make hardly any decisions, but rather, you had some money driven asshats telling you what to do instead of letting you do what you thought would be totally awesome, how could you take pride in your work, if it wasn't what you wanted to do? Trust me, if the employees had more say, we'd of already seen a new OS by now. WinFS wouldn't have been dropped, and neither would all that other crap. The guys that did the work are far less see the work that they are PROUD of get ****canned in favour of finances.

Do you know what the goal of business is? To make money. NOTHING ELSE.

Repeat with me, the goal of business is to make money, NOTHING ELSE.

Comprende?

[Aynjell]

But ditching things that benefit your customers to make more money is lame. I don't give a **** about whether or not he's trying to make money, the point is: We're suffering at MS's expense. Granted, I won't lose any sleep over it, but every peice of good tech that they drop hurts us and other vista users. All because they wanna make more money... they're even ****ing thier employees off. but whatever, it's all about money, greed, sex, and... stuff. Yeah, it's about stuff. I can't forget that...

Stuff > *

[wazzledoozle]

Originally Posted by Aynjell

But ditching things that benefit your customers to make more money is lame. I don't give a **** about whether or not he's trying to make money, the point is: We're suffering at MS's expense. Granted, I won't lose any sleep over it, but every peice of good tech that they drop hurts us and other vista users. All because they wanna make more money... they're even ****ing thier employees off. but whatever, it's all about money, greed, sex, and... stuff. Yeah, it's about stuff. I can't forget that...

Stuff > *

Were not suffering at all; In what way has this caused an economic cost, or physical discomfort to you? The delay time just gives them more time to polish up the OS, which shows they do slightly care about the consumer or they would just release the code they already had.

[Aynjell]

Originally Posted by wazzledoozle

Were not suffering at all; In what way has this caused an economic cost, or physical discomfort to you? The delay time just gives them more time to polish up the OS, which shows they do slightly care about the consumer or they would just release the code they already had.

What I'm talking about is the lost but appreciable features. Granted, "I'm not losing sleep over them", but they are still things we would have enjoyed but are being cut cuz they can't handle thier own code.

[Urbanfox]

Originally Posted by Aynjell

But ditching things that benefit your customers to make more money is lame. I don't give a **** about whether or not he's trying to make money, the point is: We're suffering at MS's expense. Granted, I won't lose any sleep over it, but every peice of good tech that they drop hurts us and other vista users. All because they wanna make more money... they're even ****ing thier employees off. but whatever, it's all about money, greed, sex, and... stuff. Yeah, it's about stuff. I can't forget that...

Stuff > *

You do realise you just described practically every major company out there?

And please, ****ing their employee's off? None of us knows the whole story or the validity of anything and yet there's somehow the need to get all hyped and ****ed.

How about this... boring entertainment news doesn't sell.

Additional Comment:

Originally Posted by Aynjell

What I'm talking about is the lost but appreciable features. Granted, "I'm not losing sleep over them", but they are still things we would have enjoyed but are being cut cuz they can't handle thier own code.

What features? It's their **** product, let them add or subtract anything they want.

As for handling their own code, cut the bull****. We don't know for sure why anything was cut, it could be a million different things.

Stop being at the end of the baseball bat entitled "M$".

Originally Posted by indigo

Bye-Bye Ballmer

Do you have paypal?

[Aynjell]

Originally Posted by Urbanfox

You do realise you just described practically every major company out there?

And please, ****ing their employee's off? None of us knows the whole story or the validity of anything and yet there's somehow the need to get all hyped and ****ed.

How about this... boring entertainment news doesn't sell.

Additional Comment:

What features? It's their **** product, let them add or subtract anything they want.

As for handling their own code, cut the bull****. We don't know for sure why anything was cut, it could be a million different things.

Stop being at the end of the baseball bat entitled "M$".



Do you have paypal?

Which is exactly why I won't work for most of those companies. If I'm gonna pour my heart and soul into something, I'd want some say in it. Right now I work a job where all they get out of me is my time and labour, but if it's my ideas, my thoughts, my beliefs and my _TALENT_, there's no reason I should have any reason to be mad at my employer, since they are paying for something they probably can't get from somebody else. (if you are being payed by Microsoft, it's for a reason)

[Urbanfox]

Originally Posted by Aynjell

Which is exactly why I won't work for most of those companies. If I'm gonna pour my heart and soul into something, I'd want some say in it. Right now I work a job where all they get out of me is my time and labour, but if it's my ideas, my thoughts, my beliefs and my _TALENT_, there's no reason I should have any reason to be mad at my employer, since they are paying for something they probably can't get from somebody else. (if you are being payed by Microsoft, it's for a reason)

I heavily doubt Microsoft employee's are not happy with their jobs. **** comes up everywhere, but inherently unhappy.... no.

And you use the words "my" and "I" a lot. I suggest you start your own business or learn to do what an employer says.

[WEAK]

Microsoft is huge theres so many levels of personel working on different things. Its no wonder Vista got bumped to a later date.

Those guyz should work together and help each other along rather than trying to find the guy who did nothing. Its too late for that. They should have said something sooner.

Oh well that wont happen