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Old 01-05-2017, 04:51 PM   #1
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AMD Vega: Everything you need to know about the next GPU architecture

At AMD's Tech Summit in December, press, partners, and analysts were briefed on some of AMD's upcoming products; today we can finally talk about everything we saw. I've already talked a lot about Zen/Ryzen, but for gamers the bigger news is Vega. AMD gave us a roadmap last year listing their plans for GPU architectures: first Polaris, then Vega, and after that Navi. Polaris targeted the mainstream gaming audience, with good performance and efficiency, but Vega sets its sights higher, with a release target of "first half, 2017"—probably June, judging by AMD's past history.
Along with working silicon, AMD has now released the first official details on Vega, and it's shaping up to be, *ahem*, out of this world.

Vega builds on everything that makes Polaris great, but it's not simply a bigger chip with more cores. AMD didn't provide Vega's core count or clock speed, but it will likely be 4,096 cores clocked at around 1.5-1.6GHz. The reason I can be so specific is that AMD also announced a new line of machine intelligence accelerators, called Radeon Instinct MI6, MI8, and MI25. The MI25 uses Vega and will provide up to 25 TFLOPS (with FP16—half that for FP32), which means the baseline for Vega is about 45 percent faster than the Fury X. Chew on that for a minute—45 percent faster than Fury X should put it well above the performance level of the GTX 1080, possibly even eclipsing the Titan X (and thereby the 1080 Ti).

It's not just about TFLOPS, however. AMD has reworked several key elements of their GCN architecture, a major one being the memory subsystem. Vega includes 8GB (possibly 16GB) of HBM2 memory in two stacks. These deliver the same 512GB/s bandwidth as the four stacks of HBM1 in Fiji, but with two stacks the silicon interposer doesn't need to be as large, and HBM2 densities allow AMD to double (potentially quadruple) the amount of memory. We've seen quite a few instances where 4GB can limit performance, so Vega takes care of that problem.

But AMD isn't just calling this HBM or VRAM; it's now a "High-Bandwidth Cache" (HBC) and there's also a new "High-Bandwidth Cache Controller" (HBCC). The distinction is important, because the HBCC plays a much more prominent role in memory accesses. AMD calls this a "completely new memory hierarchy." That's probably a bit of hyperbole, but the idea is to better enable the GPU to work with large data sets, which is becoming an increasingly difficult problem.


As an example of why the HBCC is important, AMD profiled VRAM use for The Witcher 3 and Fallout 4. In both cases, the amount of VRAM allocated is around 2-3 times larger than the amount of VRAM actually 'touched' (accessed) during gameplay. The HBCC takes this into account, allowing the GPU to potentially work with significantly larger data sets, providing a 512TB virtual address space.

AMD also demonstrated a real-time physically rendered image of a house using more than 600GB of data, running on what I assume is an 8GB Vega card. If the HBCC works properly, even a 4GB card could potentially behave more like an 8-12GB VRAM card, while an 8GB card would equal a 16-24GB card.

Vega also has a new geometry pipeline. Similar to the VRAM use, AMD notes that there can be a 100X difference between polygons in a scene and those that are visible on the screen. To help, the new geometry engine will have over twice the throughput per clock compared to AMD's previous architecture. The compute unit is also improved, with native support for packed FP16 operations, which should prove very useful for machine learning applications. AMD's Mike Mantor also stated, "We've spent a lot of time tuning and tweaking to get our frequencies up—significantly—and power down," though note that the Radeon Instinct MI25 still has a "<300W" TDP.

Finally, AMD improved the pixel engine, with a new Draw Stream Binning Rasterizer that helps cull pixels that aren't visible in the final scene. All the render back-ends are also clients of the cache now, reducing the number of memory accesses (e.g., for when the pixel and shader pipelines both access the same texture). This should provide significant performance improvements with deferred rendering engines, which is what many modern games are using.

Based purely on the raw performance numbers, Vega would be impressive, but factor in the other changes and AMD's currently superior DX12/Vulkan performance, and we're looking at another exciting year in graphics cards. The GTX 1080 leads the Fury X by around 30 percent on average (less at 4K), so a 45 percent boost would put Vega well ahead, and if the architecture improvements can add another 10-15 percent Vega might even match or exceed Titan X. AMD has already demoed Doom running at 4K ultra and 65-75 fps (on a Ryzen system, no less), backing up that performance estimate.

For graphics junkies like me, June can't come soon enough.

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June... unbelievable. Nvidia has had cards out for a while already...
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Better late than never? Also, if this card really is as fast as they think, that puts it 15ish% faster than Titan X. That's impressive, especially if they can hit a better price point.

Come on AMD, give nVidia something they have to compete against!
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June... unbelievable. Nvidia has had cards out for a while already...
Looks like they're largely skipping this generation of enthusiast/high end cards. This architecture from AMD is supposed to compete with Volta, which should be releasing around same time.
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A June release would put them as the fastest for what 2 months? just in time for Nvidia to launch their entire next product line. I am currently thinking Ryzen and can't help but noticing that Intel is launching their 7xxx line right before AMD and AMD is showing performance numbers equal to what is basically Intel's last generation platform. I hope they pull a miracle out here but it looks like they will just be an alternative not a leader.
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Better late than never? Also, if this card really is as fast as they think, that puts it 15ish% faster than Titan X. That's impressive, especially if they can hit a better price point.

Come on AMD, give nVidia something they have to compete against!
Not impressive when it's 6 months from now and Nvidia responds with new cards as well.
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Looks like Nvidia is now holding onto the 1080TI until later in the year for obvious reasons. Call it a hammer to drop the day after they know they can beat AMDs new product.
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