GTX 680 or AMD 7970?

[c0reyl]

Originally Posted by Witchdoctor

I would have to disagree along with the entire benching community I am sure.
XP is not cheating and a basic requirement to competitive in many benchmarks 3D and 2D alike.

If AMD could claim ignorance it would be one thing, but they know well enough a top flight card will be competing for world records with the best in the world pushing them to the breaking point, what blows the mind is that knowing this you would think they would be up on the wheel as world records translate into sales. Basically they are saying to me they do not value this market segment and while small does carry a big stick ................

If world records made sales, why has dodge been so far behind Ford and GM when the Viper ACR from 2010 which has NO TRACTION CONTROL, NO STABILITY CONTROL, or ANY electronics other than basics and to make it a turn key engine...is THE fastest non formula 1 conversion production car on the Nurgburgring. That Viper hasn't even been developed since it's inception, and other companies keep spending MILLIONS trying to beat it, yet Dodge is SO MUCH further behind on sales than the other companies. How many Vipers are sold? not many.

Oh and by the way, the car right under the Viper, that Lexus LFA nurgburgring package thingy...it only costs TWENTY TIMES MORE than the Viper ACR, and the LFA has so much driver aiding electronics in it, that it basically drives itself... The viper DESTROYS cars many times it's price..

Your argument is invalid.

[Mr.Scott]

Originally Posted by c0reyl

If world records made sales, why has dodge been so far behind Ford and GM when the Viper ACR from 2010 which has NO TRACTION CONTROL, NO STABILITY CONTROL, or ANY electronics other than basics and to make it a turn key engine...is THE fastest non formula 1 conversion production car on the Nurgburgring. That Viper hasn't even been developed since it's inception, and other companies keep spending MILLIONS trying to beat it, yet Dodge is SO MUCH further behind on sales than the other companies. How many Vipers are sold? not many.

Oh and by the way, the car right under the Viper, that Lexus LFA nurgburgring package thingy...it only costs TWENTY TIMES MORE than the Viper ACR, and the LFA has so much driver aiding electronics in it, that it basically drives itself... The viper DESTROYS cars many times it's price..

Your argument is invalid.

Apples to Orange's dude. Computer equipment is not an automobile.
WD's right on the money. If you're not a bencher, you'll not understand.
WR's DO sell computer equipment, ask an Asus rep.

[pckid9234]

Originally Posted by c0reyl

If world records made sales, why has dodge been so far behind Ford and GM when the Viper ACR from 2010 which has NO TRACTION CONTROL, NO STABILITY CONTROL, or ANY electronics other than basics and to make it a turn key engine...is THE fastest non formula 1 conversion production car on the Nurgburgring. That Viper hasn't even been developed since it's inception, and other companies keep spending MILLIONS trying to beat it, yet Dodge is SO MUCH further behind on sales than the other companies. How many Vipers are sold? not many.

Oh and by the way, the car right under the Viper, that Lexus LFA nurgburgring package thingy...it only costs TWENTY TIMES MORE than the Viper ACR, and the LFA has so much driver aiding electronics in it, that it basically drives itself... The viper DESTROYS cars many times it's price..

Your argument is invalid.

Maybe dodge has a crappy engine xP jk
And because who wants a car with zero tc or stabil... Many people cant handle it. And ps they now have all that atleast in the US

[c0reyl]

Originally Posted by Mr.Scott

Apples to Orange's dude. Computer equipment is not an automobile.
WD's right on the money. If you're not a bencher, you'll not understand.
WR's DO sell computer equipment, ask an Asus rep.

I despise ASUS. back in 2006, I had a P5n32SLI-SE-Deluxe when I first started overclocking. I spent about a HUNDRED HOURS trying to figure out why I was too ******ed to get my e6600 past 2.7ghz on that board. I was thinking I was just an idiot. I ended up for some reason getting an ABIT AW9D-MAX for $150 or so, and then within FIVE MINUTES, I got the same setup e6600 to 3.65ghz, which was considered respectable for a $15 heatsink. years later I ended up needing a cheap *** mobo to hold me over when my q9450 died. I ended up using my lapped Pentium D 945, which I had messed around with and overclocked to 4.85ghz on air, without even clamping down the heatsink. I had problems with the system randomly locking up for a period of one second at an interval of every few seconds.I had no idea why. At first I thought it was because the PSU was acting all weird on the 3.3v rail, probably didn't help, but a new PSU didn't fix it, so after lookign at the board a lot more closely, I noticed IT WAS MISSING A FEW CAPACITORS... What company neglects to surface mount a few capacitors on their products? That was IT from ASUS for me. I will forever hate them for that.

Originally Posted by pckid9234

Maybe dodge has a crappy engine xP jk
And because who wants a car with zero tc or stabil... Many people cant handle it. And ps they now have all that atleast in the US

The Dodge Viper has more torque than any production naturally aspirated sports car ever made. But guess what? GM makes A BETTER ENGINE. The LS7 engine absolutely DESTROYS the Dodge V10, because bored to 440 CI and with the right heads and cam, you can make 750hp on pump gas in a naturally aspirated smallblock V8. Despite that, the Corvette will NEVER beat the Viper on the track.

oh, and I know, that's why the 2013 SRT Viper (is no longer under the Dodge name) will have full electronic stability and traction control, launch control, ABS, nav system, and all that other crap that drives the car for you. Meaning with driver aids, they can push the car harder and even break more records, because people are less likely to kill themselves driving it. Oh, and the Chassis is 30 pounds lighter, yet 50 PERCENT stiffer, the wheelbase has been changed slightly, 640 horses in a 3300 pound RWD car with perfect weight distribution, insanely wide sticky tires, oh and they managed over 1500 pounds of downforce at 150mph without even having a rear wing from bodywork.

Basically, the new viper is going to eat every production car ever made that isn't a formula 1 conversion for lunch, besides maybe the Ferrari 599xx but that car costs multiple times more and isn't even street legal >_>

[Mr.Scott]

All manufacturers have quality control issues now and then. Despite how you feel about Asus, fact is fact. Right now they're producing the top OC'ing boards out there, and are reaping the rewards from it.
Note: I'm actually not an Asus fanboy either. I own only 2 Asus boards of the 30 or so boards I have, and both of those are roughly 10 years old.

[Ajax37]

I'm currently running 2 crossfire xfx 6950 2gb and considering a single card as well. I'll repeat the thing about the AMD drivers taking some time to develop. So that I would personally pick a 680 instead. That's what I would have originally done anyway but I got a steal on the cards I have at 280 total for the both of them. I would have bought a 680 instead of getting both cards new at 260 plus shipping each. A part of my likes sticking to AMD when possible but there is also the part of my brain that doesn't like hassle. Either way both are great cards though.

[buttons]

I am shocked no one mentioned the price difference. I got my Visiontek for $378 shipped brand new with 6 games and HDMI cable. While i have two 7970s, i have never tried them crossfired so i can understand some frustration there -- but the card by itself i havent had ANY driver issues. Microcenter also has them for $370 arent 680's $500 ?

I think either card would be a fine choice for gaming, but i prefer the value of the 7970.