GPU help for motherboard AMD 04GJJT 785G

[Battleground]

Hey, if anybody can help me i would appreciate it immensely. I'm slowly going to start buying parts to build this computer i have. The PC i have is an Inspiron 570. I am aware that it's a cheap PC which is why i bought it. I'm not very wealthy and plan to build one part by part as i can afford it using this thing as my base for the build. The first thing on my radar is a new GPU. My question is how big of a GPU can i put in this that is compatible with my motherboard and CPU. I know there is a problem with putting too big of one in it because it can bottleneck it. So any advice and help will be appreciated. Also i'm aware i'll need to buy a bigger power supply with the GPU as well. So if anyone can tell me what GPU i should get and what size Power Supply i'll need will be greatly appreciated. I'm trying to build this to be able to game!!

Here are my PC specific specs:

PC:
-Inspiron 570

Processor:
-AMD Athlon(tm) II X2 250 Processor (2 CPUs), ~3.0GHz

Motherboard:
-Model: 04GJJT A00
-Chipset: AMD 785G
-Southbridge: AMD SB700
-LPCIO: ITE IT8720

Memory:
-6 GB DDR3

GPU:
-Integrated ATI Radeon HD 4200

BIOS:
-Version: A05

Operating System:
-Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit


If any other information is needed just tell me and i'll list it! Sorry if i posted to much information i'm just new to this and don't really have a clue but i'm trying to learn! Thanks again!

[jbmcmillan]

First thing don't double post.Then what do have to spend on a power supply and vid card?

[Battleground]

Originally Posted by jbmcmillan

First thing don't double post.Then what do have to spend on a power supply and vid card?

I only double posted because i didn't really know if my question belonged in motherboard or video card section so i put it in both. Sorry for that. Roughly $350. Give or take a few dollars. A friend of mine suggested this GPU http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...895&CatId=7387 and this PSU http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...015&CatId=5431. Are those compatible with my system and if so, will i get the "bottlenecking" effect if i use them? I noticed on the GPU it says 1G DDR5 and was wondering if that is bad because the Memory in my system is DDR3?

[buttons]

with default power supply you should be fine with an AMD 7750. if you upgrade the PSU , then you will probably still have size limitations. maybe a short 6870. i know XFX makes one. not sure what the size is of 7850/7870.

What games are you going to play ?

Additional Comment:

Originally Posted by Battleground

I only double posted because i didn't really know if my question belonged in motherboard or video card section so i put it in both. Sorry for that. Roughly $350. Give or take a few dollars. A friend of mine suggested this GPU http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...895&CatId=7387 and this PSU http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...015&CatId=5431. Are those compatible with my system and if so, will i get the "bottlenecking" effect if i use them? I noticed on the GPU it says 1G DDR5 and was wondering if that is bad because the Memory in my system is DDR3?

I really dont think a 7750 would require a PSU upgrade. Newegg has them asus 7750 for $99 after rebate too.

[Battleground]

Originally Posted by buttons

with default power supply you should be fine with an AMD 7750. if you upgrade the PSU , then you will probably still have size limitations. maybe a short 6870. i know XFX makes one. not sure what the size is of 7850/7870.

What games are you going to play ?

Additional Comment:



I really dont think a 7750 would require a PSU upgrade. Newegg has them asus 7750 for $99 after rebate too.

Well for right now i'm looking to play counter strike global offensive with my buddies. When i play it now i have resolution on 800x600 and all the video effects on either low/very low and i get like 30-40 fps. After I'm done building and have a good computer i'd like to be able to rock battlefield . Also the 7750's dimensions are 7.8"x5"x1.5". Not sure on the ones that you mentioned but i will do some looking around. Also are you positive it won't require a PSU? I'd rather buy it and not need it, then not buy it and need it you know what i mean? The AMD website recommended a 400W PSU for the card so thats why i was looking for one.

[buttons]

Ive played Counter strike global offensive on several PC. it was very playable even on a pentium D 820 with a geforce 9800GT. (very old) on 1680x1050 with highish settings (not maxed)

your CPU should be fine for that game, if you want to play it in full 1080p on max settings i would personally get something beefer then a 7750. Your PSU is probably rated for 300 watts from dell. your CPU/motherboard probably consume 100-110 watts, a 7750 would probably consume 60 watts. that keeps you under 200 watts, but im sure puts some stress on the OEM psu. i bitcoin mined on a dell PSU for awhile using a 6770 which is more watts then a 7750.

I always recommend solutions based on bang for the buck. Right now im not super thrilled with new GPU prices. I got a PNY geforce 470 GTX for $80 and its a TON of performance for the money. It is a power hog... When buying used i tend to stick to name brands that will honor warranty

[Battleground]

Originally Posted by buttons

Ive played Counter strike global offensive on several PC. it was very playable even on a pentium D 820 with a geforce 9800GT. (very old) on 1680x1050 with highish settings (not maxed)

your CPU should be fine for that game, if you want to play it in full 1080p on max settings i would personally get something beefer then a 7750. Your PSU is probably rated for 300 watts from dell. your CPU/motherboard probably consume 100-110 watts, a 7750 would probably consume 60 watts. that keeps you under 200 watts, but im sure puts some stress on the OEM psu. i bitcoin mined on a dell PSU for awhile using a 6770 which is more watts then a 7750.

I always recommend solutions based on bang for the buck. Right now im not super thrilled with new GPU prices. I got a PNY geforce 470 GTX for $80 and its a TON of performance for the money. It is a power hog... When buying used i tend to stick to name brands that will honor warranty

Would a AMD Radeon HD 7850 with a 500W PSU be too much for my CPU and motherboard to handle? That GPU & PSU is priced right at what i can spend.

[CountMike]

First of all, integrated video is always much slower then proper graphics card within same series. Just adding a better one will not slow down the rest of the system, it's just the matter of will the processor be able to pull the max out of GPU. Also must make sure that power supply will be able to supply enough power for new card. Integrated motherboards always pull power for integrated GPU, it doesn't matter if it is deactivated in the BIOS or not, so you have to count it in the total power. Those new Athlon II X2 pull barely 60 watts even if OCed. I have a Athlon II X2 270 and it's running at 4.1GhZ 24/7 at no more than 10 - 15C more than ambient temp with a cooler from an old Phenom. Depending how adjustable is Bios at that MB, with a better cooler than stock, a 250 CPU should be able to be OCed up to 3.8 MhZ. Better yet, fastest 2 core Athlon II is 275, which that MB should handle without problems and is relatively inexpensive upgrade. 4 or more cores could be a problem thou, depending on the power section on the MB. So, an Athlon II X2 270 - 275 running at circa 4 GhZ, a newer GPU (that uses less power than older ones ) and eventually better PSU should make a heck of the difference in that system with relatively small investment.

[maxgull]

Does the power supply in the computer have a 6 or 6/8 pin PCI-e plug?How long and deep is the area you plan on installing this card. I know the case you have is smallish.

[buttons]

Originally Posted by Battleground

Would a AMD Radeon HD 7850 with a 500W PSU be too much for my CPU and motherboard to handle? That GPU & PSU is priced right at what i can spend.

the answer is: it depends.

You will see huge improvement with PSU / 7850 on a lot of games. some games will chug if they are expecting you to have more then a dual core. Counter strike should be fine though.

Additional Comment:

Originally Posted by maxgull

Does the power supply in the computer have a 6 or 6/8 pin PCI-e plug?How long and deep is the area you plan on installing this card. I know the case you have is smallish.

no, 99% sure an inspiron 570 will not have any pci-e 6 pin connectors. 300watt psu probably.

Additional Comment:

Originally Posted by CountMike

First of all, integrated video is always much slower then proper graphics card within same series. Just adding a better one will not slow down the rest of the system, it's just the matter of will the processor be able to pull the max out of GPU. Also must make sure that power supply will be able to supply enough power for new card. Integrated motherboards always pull power for integrated GPU, it doesn't matter if it is deactivated in the BIOS or not, so you have to count it in the total power. Those new Athlon II X2 pull barely 60 watts even if OCed. I have a Athlon II X2 270 and it's running at 4.1GhZ 24/7 at no more than 10 - 15C more than ambient temp with a cooler from an old Phenom. Depending how adjustable is Bios at that MB, with a better cooler than stock, a 250 CPU should be able to be OCed up to 3.8 MhZ. Better yet, fastest 2 core Athlon II is 275, which that MB should handle without problems and is relatively inexpensive upgrade. 4 or more cores could be a problem thou, depending on the power section on the MB. So, an Athlon II X2 270 - 275 running at circa 4 GhZ, a newer GPU (that uses less power than older ones ) and eventually better PSU should make a heck of the difference in that system with relatively small investment.

also 99% sure he cannot overclock with oem dell board.

[maxgull]

Originally Posted by buttons

no, 99% sure an inspiron 570 will not have any pci-e 6 pin connectors. 300watt psu probably.

I too assume it doesn't, since the machine isn't in front of me, I am not sure.

My thinking is, before all is said and done(OP wants to end up running BF) he will need a Case, Power Supply and Vid card.

[Battleground]

I ended up buying an MSI AMD Radeon HD 6850 Overclocked with a Ultra 700W PSU and a new Apex case. I'm planning on buying a new CPU here soon. And no i cannot overclock . Is there anyway to get around that?

[maxgull]

Originally Posted by Battleground

I ended up buying an MSI AMD Radeon HD 6850 Overclocked with a Ultra 700W PSU and a new Apex case. I'm planning on buying a new CPU here soon. And no i cannot overclock . Is there anyway to get around that?

New motherboard is the easiest way. So, I would suggest, wait til you update the CPU.