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Looking Spooky
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Motherboards (Intel): Extreme BIOS Glossary
Some of this will always remain overclocker voodoo, because only the bios programmer has any clue what it actually does and they often use their own terminology. I have no intention of covering everything, but suggesting additions are appreciated. Overclocking Related
Core i7 Specific
Core 2 Specific
Processor Related
Core i7 Specific
Power Related
Core i7 Specific
Memory Related
Graphics Related
Below are sample settings to use as a guideline. Your final settings may be very different from these. Voltage settings will change as Intel switches to smaller nanometer processes. Use these at your own risk! Sample Core i7 (45nm) on Intel X58 chipset Settings:
Sample Core 2 Quad (65nm) on Intel P45 chipset Settings:
Credit goes to TechARP (FKA Adrian's Rojak Pot) for some of these definitions. I highly recommend his Definitive BIOS Guide if you are looking for additional definitions, especially for older boards, although I feel it is missing out on some of the newer definitions. Great guide that has been around for years. |
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End of line
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Thanks for this. I recently moved up to an i7 rig and was a little put back by all of the extra stuff in the BIOS. I have not overclocked anything in several years and have never overclocked any intel CPUs.
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Looking Spooky
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Glad to help! I figured if everyone was as confused as I was, a guide was badly needed. Many of the "new" i7 settings are really just old terms rebranded and this is causing alot of confusion.
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Supreme Ferengi
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Great idea putting this up. I'll be moving up to i7 soon so this will def come in handy.
I vote STICKY. Last edited by [GF]Duke : 03-28-2009 at 07:00 PM. |
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Running System Stock
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I have spent the last month looking for this and i can tell you now it was worth it. Thank you!! Sticky it!
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Running System Stock
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In this reply, the very first statement I would like to make is that I am not questioning your understanding of processor architecture nor am I questioning your skills in achieving increased performance of your machine via manipulation of BIOS settings involving voltages, frequencies, timings and the like. I have only experirimented with "overclocking" because I always do reasearch before attempting to change any of the multitude of BIOS settings availalable to me ( my motherboard is an ASUS Rampage II GENE). Unfortunately, it appears that web searches for a specific set of search criteria always result in many DIFFERENT explanations of what I am trying to learn or understand.
With that said, I have happened upon this post on this forum. It seems that I might get some of my many questions answered in ONE place. Now, to be specific, I am investigating the properties of my Core i7 CPU and am questioning the manipulation of the voltage source to any "PLL" circuit. Being an electrical engineer I have a very good understanding of the term " Phase Locked Loop". It applies to a type of extremely accurate and stable signal ("clock") oscillator. It achieves stability via a feedback loop from it's output to the sampling input of the oscillator as a whole. Once the PLL oscillator is configured to generate a specific frequency, any deviation from that frequency is detected by even the most minute change in "phase" of the output signal (it is impossible for output signal to be EXACTLY the same as the configured frequency if is "out of phase"). Therein lies my question (or argument as it may seem). From a "low level integrated circuitry" point of view, I can see absolutely no benefit whatsoever to changing the supply voltage of any PLL device to something "out of spec" in order to obtain stability for overclocking. In fact, "tweaking" PLL voltages can only have the opposite effect. Any perceived increase in stabilty must be from some other BIOS adjustment that was performed during the same BIOS setup session. I believe I am correct on this point due to the universal nature of "PLL" terminology. I welcome any feedback and hope to learn a great deal about the art of intelligent overclocking. |
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Looking Spooky
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Not being an EE, I can only give you my experience and the experience of others on the effect PLL has. You can see in my sample overclock, I left this at default, because it seemed to have no effect on my overclock. However, others have reported additional stability with higher voltages. Raising any voltage in general beyond spec increases the signal strength at the expense of heat and damage from electromigration. There is a balance between the two. Increasing the PLL voltage most likely increases the power regulation circuitry to the clock generator/oscillator to allow it to continue generating a stable frequency. If the voltage is too low, the frequency gets out of spec and the CPU throws errors.
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Running System Stock
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Due to my technical background I hope I can contribute in a positive way by discussing some terminology used by most overclockers (as I have seen by reading many posts from several overclocking forums as well as the "big guys" like Tom's Hardware and AnandTech) and many misconceptions that overclockers in general appear to have. First of all I would like to comment on your mention of "signal strength". A "signal", whether sinusoidal, square, rectangular (pulse) or otherwise in and of itself has no strength. If you are thinking in terms of Power (rated in units of Watts) than it is the capaciity of the signal generator itself that determines signal strength. For CPU PLL circuitry there is really no "strenght" to think of. Only frequency stability, accuracy and the ability to maintain an undistorted waveform are of primary concern. Yes, a CPU can consume (and dissipate in the form of heat) over 100 Watts of power but that is distributed throughout if the IC itself and the majority is needed for voltage regulation (DC voltages that is). That's it for this post except for a question. What do you mean when you say the cpu "throws errors". There is extensive error detection and correction (if possible) occuring at rates in the GHz region but there is no way to see this activity. And, if you could, ther would be so many error events occuring over just a 1 second time interval that you would spend many hours analyzing them. |
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Looking Spooky
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Errors are detected by running computational programs that typically calculate the value of Pi. If the result is checked against known results and is wrong - the program throws an error and that is the major way overclockers test for stability. This is the method that would be used to test whether increasing the voltage to the PLL increases or decreases stability.
I can see you are interested in the gritty details of it, but I would suggest you look at some of the basic guides on the how overclocking is done and draw on your own experience to determine the why. Maybe you will be able to explain some things to us. Honestly though, I would say most of us are comfortable with having a cursory idea of how things work and are satisfied by the results that are obtained from repeated trial and error of others' experiences. It may not always be right, but it will eventually get us there. |
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Caffeine Addict
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The reason is pretty simple, the PLL is a logic chip just like any other. When overclocking, we are pushing the PLL out of spec along with everything else (assuming you aren't overclocking via the multiplier). Adding more voltage to the device allows it to better define the edges of a clock cycle.
When pushing the clock higher, the edges of the clock tend to become a little more hairy which I'm sure you know. We don't have perfect square waves in computing. When overclocked, those square waves are even less perfect. Adding the voltage allows for a greater noise tolerance, and allows more easily to see that a 1 is indeed a 1 and a 0 is a 0. |
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Running System Stock
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Another thing I learned is that it appears this "BCLK" term was coined by who-knows-who and just caught on. Intel knows nothing about BCLK, base clock or whatever you want to call it. That's because it's not just a square wave or pulse. It is those 2 signals I mentioned which are differential in nature but it goes far beyond that because the new QPI protocol fit into the picture. I'll post when I "understand" more but there is limited low-level info available because of the proprietary nature of the whole deal. |
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Caffeine Addict
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Ok Mr. Rat, you are wayyyyy overthinking this. QPI is a new way of connection, but it has absolutely nothing to do with your original question. I think you need to take a step back and understand how it works at a high level before you start going any deeper because it is quite obvious that you do not.
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Running System Stock
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I will not appologize for these harsh statement because you've got me really...P.O.'ed ! |
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Caffeine Addict
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Secondly signal strength is in no way out of context. Just because you have never heard it in the way that he has used it doesn't mean that it is wrong. The strength and reliability of a square wave is very much a real thing when working with the hardware that we do. Quote:
In general, it's normally the best course of action to absorb as much information as you can before you start calling out things like this. |
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Running System Stock
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Let me tell you about my Dad.
He is 81 years old. He has his favorite chair where he sits to watch TV all the time. I setup a cordles phone and cradle next to his chair so he didn't have to get up when the phone rang. I setup the phone itself so that he has to press the green flash key when he picks it up out of the cradle to answer a call (this was done to prevent the phone from connecting if he accidentilly knocked it out of the cradle). That was over a year ago. I showed him how to answer a phone call when I set it up. I showed him at least 5 other times when he had a problem answering the phone. He has received hundreds of phone calls since then. Just a while ago the phone rang. I heard him saying "Hello...hello" as the phone continued to ring and ring. Your replies made me think of him. |
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Running System Stock
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Motherboards Intel Extreme BIOS Glossary
how would this be possible to install if u cant get pass the bios password screen... im not sure but taking out the battery to reset the password works for desktops and not laptop...
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It is Never Enough.
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opinion on fixing vDroop for asus boards?
![]() I use load line calibration, but it does seem to cause stability issues |
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Addicted to SuperPI
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It works for desktops AND laptops, but the battery you have to take out on a lappy is usually under the keyboard, NOT the mail battery that powers the laptop.
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