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Old 12-03-2009, 12:40 AM   #1
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Post The De-Lidding of Phenoms I-&-II Tutorial.

FX BullDozer Llano (Bobcat) and Phenom (Agena) and Phenom II (Deneb) Integrated Heat Spreader (IHS Plate) Soldered Removal Guide.

FX de-lid post Click Here

Pictures In order Included!

This is recommended for Liquid Cooled (or better)PC's Only!

Warning! High Temperatures. You will burn yourself.

No Person But yourself is responsible for damage or cpu life decrease.

Step one. Gather tools needed to complete the task.

1. Razors
2. Cpu
3. Mini torch
4. Toilet Paper
5. Wet sanding paper
6. Athlon Heat Sink
7. A Fan
8. Camera
9. Grounding wire (You must be grounded or insulated from static)
10. Knowledge of De-lidding Athlons that aren't soldered. (Very important) --I'll explain later..

Step 2. Clean the Cpu and take a pic. The information lies there. It sometimes get's damaged by heat and then becomes no longer legible.

Step 3. This is where your previous knowledge comes in handy. Using your razor, you make the incision into the Silicone where the IHS plate is glued to the board. Make several passes carefully until the blade slides easily all the way around. The Athlon A64 Cpu's (low end) without solder will end at this step. After you've made a few careful passes, the IHS plate will pop right off.
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Step 4. Warning Hot Place the Cpu pins down on your Athlon Heat Sink. This is to draw the heat off of the pins as quicky as possible. The pins are soldered on as well and can fall off. Put two razors on either side of the IHS plate where you've made incisions. This will tell you when the solder has broken free and will allow you to flip the IHS plate off.
Time for Heating the IHS plate to melt the solder which holds the IHS plate to the Silicone that is placed Over the Insulator (SOI). The Silicone is not very delicate. It'll hold up to the heat no problem. It has a higher melting point than the solder.
Gently lower the torch while lit on a Medium Low Flame. Over heating would be bad. You then loose control and then possibly loose pins. Heat the IHS plate a little at a time. Be careful not to burn your self. It can be tricky wanting to grab the cpu. Don't worry you'll remember quickly if you do touch it.
As the heat builds you'll smell the solder starting to heat up. As soon as you see a Razor move, the Bond is broken. Quickly set the torch down and grab hold of the razors. Keep in mind they are hot. Gently twist them like a key away from you towards the wall. As the IHS plate comes up, start blowing softly into the space between the IHS plate and the SOI. This will cool the solder so that you can safely just flip the lid off. My suggestion is to ware a pair of thin cloth gloves for grabbing the Razors. They Will be very hot.

Step 5. Cooling and Lapping 101.
Get the fan on it fast. Cool the cpu quickly back to a room temperature. You don't need to stick it in a freezer or anything, it'll be fine with the heatsink under it. When the cpu is cool, use the little pin cover foam from the cpu box and cover the pins. Use your thumbnail to gently scrape the solder down as far as you can. Be careful not to bend pins or chip any of the little chips around the SOI.
Lap it! Same thing as doing the IHS plate it'self, just smaller. Do the figure 8 motion with a very high grain paper. 1500 at the least amount of grit. This process will remove the remaining solder from the Silicone. When you have completed the lapping, check for the bent pins and straighten them. Then apply the Thermal paste nice and thin. I used a Razor this time around instead of a gaudy credit card.

Step 6. Turn the PC on and Cross your fingers. Both Phenom's that I've De-lidded booted and run. So far I'm 2-0. You should notice a very nice temp decrease at load as well as idle. Why spread that much heat with the IHS plate, when you can remove it faster?

I hope this Tutorial helps guide you to a safe IHS plate removal.

FX-4100 De-Lidding Fail Video Click Here
Failed De-lidding of FX-4100 Attempt # 4 of soldered Cpu's I'm 3 and 1 so far.



FX-6100 De-Lidded Working
FX-9590 De-lidded Killed x1
FX-9590 De-lidded Working x2
FX-8320 De-lidded Kept working
Athon 5000+ unlocker FX-5000 Kept
970T De-lidded for a customer Working
1090T De-lidded Sold Working
965BE De-lidded Sold working
940BE De-lidded Sold working
9850BE De-lidded Sold working
9950BE De-lidded Sold working
FX-4100 De-lidded NOT Working
6400+ De-lidded Sold working[/COLOR] http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=GjjXxHAhaG0
6400+ delidded working kept (2nd 6400+ delidded)
NOTE: The IHS plate, if heated correctly, should be off in under two minutes. Closer to One minute of heat.

A8-3850 De-lidded no solder working





Here is a link to the AMD 965BE de-lidding. Also includes an Athlon II 250 x2: http://forums.extremeoverclocking.co...d.php?t=337976
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Old 12-03-2009, 12:52 AM   #2
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More Pictures.

The 9850BE (Agena 65nm) is the cpu on the left in the last picture. The Cpu on the right is the 940BE (Deneb 45nm).

Currently running the 9950BE for Burn in 3ghz @ load cpu is 42c the Cores are running 40c nice and steady.
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Old 12-03-2009, 12:59 AM   #3
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FX-6100 De-lid Pictures.

And the video of actual removal - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlAAoAqOPSQ
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Old 12-03-2009, 12:28 PM   #4
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how much of temp reduction did you see on the 940BE (Deneb 45nm).
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how much of temp reduction did you see on the 940BE (Deneb 45nm).
The cores dropped 10c at load @ 3600mhz on 1.3875v
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As awesome as this is...it is a little to risky for my taste. Maybe when I have more money to spare on cpu's
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Old 12-03-2009, 09:50 PM   #7
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i say STICKY IT!, good one Shrimp
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As awesome as this is...it is a little to risky for my taste. Maybe when I have more money to spare on cpu's
I don't know exactly what cpu's are soldered and which are not. I'm gonna assume the cheaper Semprons and Athlons are not soldered and the IHS plate is easy to be removed.

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i say STICKY IT!, good one Shrimp
Thanks Sparky. Appreciate that.
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The cores dropped 10c at load @ 3600mhz on 1.3875v
not bad nice drop.
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very cool i didn't even know you could do this.

+1 for sticky.
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very cool i didn't even know you could do this.

+1 for sticky.
Thanks. We learn something new everyday. This forum is Packed full of learning .

Is your Phenom a B3 or 125w revision? Get any good over clocks?
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Old 12-04-2009, 08:59 PM   #12
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I vote sticky. This is a very nice post. Awesome temperature differences as well... just gotta be careful haha. I did this with an Athlon 64 4000+ actually out of curiosity after I bought a dual core to replace it, it turned out alright.
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I vote sticky. This is a very nice post. Awesome temperature differences as well... just gotta be careful haha. I did this with an Athlon 64 4000+ actually out of curiosity after I bought a dual core to replace it, it turned out alright.
The nicest thing about the temps is that the cores and cpu temp usually stay within 5 deg. c of each other. So if the cpu temp is 34c the core load temp would be 39c for example.

Yea the Athlons de-lid pretty easily come to think of it. Glad it still worked I bet. Did you get a better temp?
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I did indeed get a considerably better temp. Too bad I wasn't using it anymore haha. I still have it somewhere....
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I did indeed get a considerably better temp. Too bad I wasn't using it anymore haha. I still have it somewhere....
Send it to me. I'll OC it
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Old 12-05-2009, 12:32 AM   #16
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Can amd's have their IHS sanded off?
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Can amd's have their IHS sanded off?
Yes I suppose so. I bet your fingers would be sore and there is probably a little less risk involved. I just figured it would be neat to remove it in the same fashion it was put on. Soldered heh..
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Yes I suppose so. I bet your fingers would be sore and there is probably a little less risk involved. I just figured it would be neat to remove it in the same fashion it was put on. Soldered heh..
Ah, OK.. was just wondering, your way is cooler
I vote sticky aswell BTW
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Shrimp, you're the man, sticky fo sho
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