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Old 12-05-2009, 10:47 AM   #21
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Thanks guys. I'd be doing another one if Neo would quit working so much and come out for a day. He has a 9600 Phenom that he'd like de-lidded. Even harder he works 2nd shift also.

I really don't think the heat hurts these cpu's much during the de-lidding process. The only thing that seems to melt is the solder. All of the rest of the cpu becomes a little discolored. Probably due to the heat being poured on. What hurts these cpu's most is being on 1.6v and running. That's what bakes them internally. Cooking from the inside out. I also find it amazing that the Silicone under the solder is so tough. Obviously having a way higher melting point, the solder seems to penetrate it somewhat. You can see that in the colors of the top of it after I had lapped it.
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Old 12-05-2009, 11:34 AM   #22
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hmm, i wonder if this will drop my temps enough for 4ghz. i am at 1.55v-core with 52 full load
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Old 12-05-2009, 12:03 PM   #23
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hmm, i wonder if this will drop my temps enough for 4ghz. i am at 1.55v-core with 52 full load
I can't tell you that it will. I was already hitting 4ghz before I removed the IHS plate. But the lower the temps the more stability you should get with your current OC. It seems as if 4.1ghz is about the max I can get. Unless I go chilled. A few people have gotten 4.4ghz with an air conditioner, So we know colder is better.
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Old 12-05-2009, 12:12 PM   #24
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yeh cooler is always better, and more stable is always better.

i have a small blow tourch, a load of stanley blades and water cooling. i just gotta get some more thermal paste and some wet and dry for lapping. i currently cant get 3.9 stabe enough to validate let alone bench, and i have 1 stlightly unstable core at 3.8 (altho i run 3.8 all the time).

i think it might be time to do my first de-lidding. i have a 9850 to practice on
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Old 12-05-2009, 12:33 PM   #25
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After doing 2, it get's easier after the first one. It took a while to think of a logical way to remove the IHS plate without having a high risk. The lift the plate up to separate it from the core and blow on it to solidify the Solder on the IHS plate, made for a practically mess free de-lidding. When the solder is in liquid form, it can be tricky. Cutting too deep when breaking the glue bond is the next hardest thing to do. Applying heat was actually really easy. Just wave it around like a magic wand.
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Old 12-05-2009, 02:10 PM   #26
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magic wond - are you harry potter??? lol
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Old 12-05-2009, 02:47 PM   #27
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magic wond - are you harry potter??? lol
Harry is cool. We have all the movies
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Old 12-05-2009, 02:58 PM   #28
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i dont have any of them, i find the films quite boring really, and i hate reading. so hary pooter will remain a strange cult to me
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Old 12-05-2009, 06:05 PM   #29
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i dont have any of them, i find the films quite boring really, and i hate reading. so hary pooter will remain a strange cult to me
Well you know something about him. You brought up Harry Potter. I just waved a flame around like a magic wand. As soon as the solder melted, the blades moved. That's when it's time to split the IHS from the cpu. Give it a try Orac.
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Old 12-05-2009, 10:19 PM   #30
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Thanks guys. I'd be doing another one if Neo would quit working so much and come out for a day. He has a 9600 Phenom that he'd like de-lidded. Even harder he works 2nd shift also.

I really don't think the heat hurts these cpu's much during the de-lidding process. The only thing that seems to melt is the solder. All of the rest of the cpu becomes a little discolored. Probably due to the heat being poured on. What hurts these cpu's most is being on 1.6v and running. That's what bakes them internally. Cooking from the inside out. I also find it amazing that the Silicone under the solder is so tough. Obviously having a way higher melting point, the solder seems to penetrate it somewhat. You can see that in the colors of the top of it after I had lapped it.
I am trying my friend....
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Old 12-06-2009, 12:11 AM   #31
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and this has not been sticky'd yet why?
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I am trying my friend....
I know Neo. I'm rather busy myself. It's the holiday season I'll still be in Chicago land in the summer time

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and this has not been sticky'd yet why?
Cause I didn't video tape it maybe? I should have done that... Maybe next time.
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Old 12-06-2009, 01:40 AM   #33
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2 of my brother and my mother a missive potter fans, i didnt have and choice to know about him or not
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Old 12-06-2009, 02:54 AM   #34
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Haha!!

So any how, still running a burn in at 3ghz. All temps are under 40c.

The AMD Power Monitor is the only App in the Pic displaying the actual voltage I am using. Same goes for AMD Over Drive.
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Nice work! Sticky,sticky.

BTW Price really isn't a factor per-say as too which are soldered and which are not. AMD has been doing this with it's higher TDP models (89w and up Windsors such as the 6000+. 1200/2200 series Opterons [non-HE], Phenom,Phenom II's and so forth) for a while now. Though the lower TDP i.e. Brisbanes,Athlon II's etc. do often cost less.

Again, well done ShrimpBrime!

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Old 12-06-2009, 02:10 PM   #36
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AH. I didn't know they did that with the 6000+'s. Never tried to de-lid one. Again I learned something new!

I think the idea to solder them is great actually. Even though it makes it harder for us to de-cap them, it probably transfers heat a lot better than TIM. Thanks OptyTrooper.
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Would a propane or butane torch work? I'm totally doing this to my kuma 7550...
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Would a propane or butane torch work? I'm totally doing this to my kuma 7550...
With the large screw on bottle? That maybe too much heat. With the mini torch I got here, It is small and concentrated but adjustable at the same time. I've sweat pipes and that flame is just to large all together. But don't trust a torch lighter. Plastic melts and you'll need a minute or two to bring the heat up. I applied heat to the center and a little at a time. lift the flame every few seconds.

Look for a soldering torch. That's what you need. Hobby stores or Tool dealers. Sears maybe.

The torch is on the left. Butane. click the pic.
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With the large screw on bottle? That maybe too much heat. With the mini torch I got here, It is small and concentrated but adjustable at the same time. I've sweat pipes and that flame is just to large all together. But don't trust a torch lighter. Plastic melts and you'll need a minute or two to bring the heat up. I applied heat to the center and a little at a time. lift the flame every few seconds.

Look for a soldering torch. That's what you need. Hobby stores or Tool dealers. Sears maybe.

The torch is on the left. Butane. click the pic.
Thanks for saving me from my own stupidity
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Old 12-19-2009, 05:28 PM   #40
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Thanks for saving me from my own stupidity
Your Not stupid at all. It was actually smart of you to ask .
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