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Old 03-25-2010, 04:47 PM   #21
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How does a faster DNS response make your internet any faster? You're still using the same ISP and it's bandwidth.
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Old 03-25-2010, 04:53 PM   #22
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Honestly from what I've seen it's only a matter of a few ms for loading pages.
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Old 03-25-2010, 04:58 PM   #23
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How does a faster DNS response make your internet any faster? You're still using the same ISP and it's bandwidth.
So your saying taking a longer route in a sports car is better then taking a more direct route in a mini van?
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Old 03-25-2010, 06:52 PM   #24
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So your saying taking a longer route in a sports car is better then taking a more direct route in a mini van?
No, what I'm asking is how does changing your DNS server make your mini-van into a sports car.

All the DNS server is doing is changing a URL into an IP address. It won't help you download files any faster.
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Old 03-25-2010, 06:59 PM   #25
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If it doesn't improve download speeds then I'd rather take the sports car
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Old 03-26-2010, 12:36 AM   #26
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Hey ANTC,
I tried the namebench benchmark, and it return a result of some dns server being 7% faster than my current one. I changed my settings to use the preferred dns servers that namebench gave me... and I must say it does work.

While not a huge difference by any means... I did notice that all of my usual sites i go to are loading much more responsively. Even newegg lagged on me, and changing the preferred dns servers seems to have made it alot less laggy.

Thanks I appreciate the time and effort you put into this!
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Old 03-26-2010, 05:28 AM   #27
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The speeds of ISPs are to a point now where surfing is becoming about responsiveness. The quicker responding DNS in turn will allow you to browse faster, starting the downloads faster on the same speed network means it will finish before the other, so on and so on. The point of this idea is to maximize your connection for the very same reason you or I overclock. As far as I am concerned this is a very nice find.

@the OP, Spend some time writing a full guide and suggestions for this and I am sure many people will find it very usefull. If you need any help with terminologies and general info as to why I will help you. ISPs are my business.
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Old 03-26-2010, 09:35 AM   #28
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Ever wanted faster internet for free? Here’s the REAL solution using this free program from Google Inc. It searches for the best DNS severs in your area and gives you there IP address. With this information you can put them into your TCP/IP configurations for the best connection to where ever your connecting to. This will ultimately eliminate tons of hops from your connection to whatever server your trying to reach.


To test theory of it I tried it on my machine, I ran a speed test from SpeedTest.net to connect to a Server of theirs in NYC, my results were pretty poor. I also ran this test at peak hours, since the ISP I use is cable my connection is shared. So I had the results of an download speed of 1.55 Mpb per second, the upload speed of 2.05 and the ping of 26ms. Now I ran Namebench, Used the best DNS servers and reconfigured my TCP/IP settings to direct it to those servers. I set the top two hits for the best servers in my area to my DNS servers as the primary(# 1 Hit) and alternate(#2 Hit). Ran the speed test again from the same site hitting the same server. The results were download speed of 2.71, upload speed of 2.07 and a ping of 23ms. Now obviously this isn’t a HUGE increase but clearly a lot faster and I’m sure over time you’ll see better results. You can try it out here http://code.google.com/p/namebench/
Wouldn't a better way to document your theory be to run a tracert to a specific site using different DNS servers to clearly show the routing changes, instead of relying on speed test sites which are notoriously unreliable?

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Once you've done that, then repeat using different websites to show that the same "faster" DNS server always picks the shortest route to those sites too?

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Old 03-26-2010, 03:11 PM   #29
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@the OP, Spend some time writing a full guide and suggestions for this and I am sure many people will find it very usefull. If you need any help with terminologies and general info as to why I will help you. ISPs are my business.
I know most terminologies as I am in a field right now, more targeted to security aspect. I do have my A+ which i got in Junior year of high school, looking to expend into Cisco and hopefully get my CCNA, and CCNA security. I wrote this for a blog entry which I have another thread on so I dont spend too much time on this between 3 jobs and college so.
Glad you liked this. Also I wanted this to be explained in a way where you don't need an extensive background in networking to get this, throwing big words around would of scared people off.


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Wouldn't a better way to document your theory be to run a tracert to a specific site using different DNS servers to clearly show the routing changes, instead of relying on speed test sites which are notoriously unreliable?

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Once you've done that, then repeat using different websites to show that the same "faster" DNS server always picks the shortest route to those sites too?
Defiantly I tried making this user friendly also, but doing a trace route to your destination is also a great way of finding the shortest route. You are correct doing the speed test is unreliable as you can't control how many people are hitting that server at that particular time which could in fact effect your results appose to the trace route you'll be given the hops.
What I'd like to ask you to do, is post your results you've done with this method over trace route on my blog if you'd like. This would be greatly appreciated. TheFreeBay.blog.com
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Old 03-26-2010, 03:36 PM   #30
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I ran the test and this is what I got.

Primary Server: 2001:470:20::2 Hurricane Electric IPv6
Secondary Server: 192.168.2.1 Internal 192-168-1
Tertiary Server: 208.67.222.222 OpenDNS-2

So going by this, I will need to config IPv6 instead of IPv4?
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Old 03-29-2010, 09:49 AM   #31
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I know most terminologies as I am in a field right now, more targeted to security aspect. I do have my A+ which i got in Junior year of high school, looking to expend into Cisco and hopefully get my CCNA, and CCNA security. I wrote this for a blog entry which I have another thread on so I dont spend too much time on this between 3 jobs and college so.
Glad you liked this. Also I wanted this to be explained in a way where you don't need an extensive background in networking to get this, throwing big words around would of scared people off.



Defiantly I tried making this user friendly also, but doing a trace route to your destination is also a great way of finding the shortest route. You are correct doing the speed test is unreliable as you can't control how many people are hitting that server at that particular time which could in fact effect your results appose to the trace route you'll be given the hops.
What I'd like to ask you to do, is post your results you've done with this method over trace route on my blog if you'd like. This would be greatly appreciated. TheFreeBay.blog.com
Thanks for the offer, but to be completely candid, Since this is your essential guide, I was hoping you'd take the time to try and prove your assertions and I gave you an easy way to do so.
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Ever wanted faster internet for free? Here’s the REAL solution using this free program from Google Inc. It searches for the best DNS severs in your area and gives you there IP address. With this information you can put them into your TCP/IP configurations for the best connection to where ever your connecting to. This will ultimately eliminate tons of hops from your connection to whatever server your trying to reach.
I believe that you are sincerely trying to help help people with this guide but that you've come to a mistaken conclusion. Yes, that program from Google (as well as many others) can help you find the fastest DNS server. That however is where it ends. Changing DNS servers has no effect on your routing, nor on your speed/bandwidth.

A reasonable analogy of the job of a DNS server is like when you call information, give them a name and they give you a phone number. Some information services may be able to look up that number faster than others, but once they give you the phone number and you dial it, the route that call takes is up to the phone company.

It's the same with DNS servers, you type in a website name, a request goes to a DNS server that in turn translates that name into an IP address and sends that information back to you. Once that has happened its job is done. It's up to your ISP, and those in control of the routers, at that point to determine the "best" route used to get there.

I'm not saying routing is completely static, but I do contend that changing DNS servers will have no effect on routing, only the speed of which a name is translated into an IP address.

If you had just stopped at picking the fastest DNS server that'd be cool, but since you went on to specifically claim best routing, reduction in the number of hops and such, I would like you provide some real evidence of your claims since, as I explained above, it's not my understanding of how things work.
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Old 03-29-2010, 10:13 AM   #32
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Thanks for the offer, but to be completely candid, Since this is your essential guide, I was hoping you'd take the time to try and prove your assertions and I gave you an easy way to do so. I believe that you are sincerely trying to help help people with this guide but that you've come to a mistaken conclusion. Yes, that program from Google (as well as many others) can help you find the fastest DNS server. That however is where it ends. Changing DNS servers has no effect on your routing, nor on your speed/bandwidth.

A reasonable analogy of the job of a DNS server is like when you call information, give them a name and they give you a phone number. Some information services may be able to look up that number faster than others, but once they give you the phone number and you dial it, the route that call takes is up to the phone company.

It's the same with DNS servers, you type in a website name, a request goes to a DNS server that in turn translates that name into an IP address and sends that information back to you. Once that has happened its job is done. It's up to your ISP, and those in control of the routers, at that point to determine the "best" route used to get there.

I'm not saying routing is completely static, but I do contend that changing DNS servers will have no effect on routing, only the speed of which a name is translated into an IP address.

If you had just stopped at picking the fastest DNS server that'd be cool, but since you went on to specifically claim best routing, reduction in the number of hops and such, I would like you provide some real evidence of your claims since, as I explained above, it's not my understanding of how things work.
your looking way to much into this, man.
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Old 03-29-2010, 12:58 PM   #33
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Mine said 68% Faster. I see a difference in page loading.

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There may be some misinterpretation of this thread. As was stated this really will not help your true download speeds per say. But what it does do is help the responsiveness of your browsing. Obviously the faster your request is processed and returned to your own PC for direction, the faster your computer can then open the connection to the desired location.

Things to consider/understand about your total alloted bandwidth are as follows...

1: Its controlled externally, meaning you cannot increase it by settings you change on your part.

2: You can only change settings as to how your PC requests data to in turn get a faster response and initialization.

3: You can change the way your PC transmits/requests block sizes in turn this may grant a slight gain of performance depending on your ISP, but small. Think of it as memory timings.
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Old 03-29-2010, 08:25 PM   #35
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you guys should just cache the dns. get google chrome or some software that does it. it loads webpages quite a bit faster just by saving the half a second trying to figure out where eocf.com's ip address is and puts it immediately to work.

dns does not change your download speed at all, but it does load your webpages a lot faster.
take this website for example. if i load this page, i would have www.extremeoverclocking.com to look up. but you forgot all those ads on this website, and many of them use more than one referral. like adsense.google.com - > clickrevenue ->newegg.com in order to show one ad. if you can shave even a third of a second in the dns query time, you already saved 1s off you loading time. imagine a website with more ads, plugins, graphics, etc? like newyorktimes.com for example?
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Old 03-30-2010, 05:43 AM   #36
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Mine is 216% faster but Im not sure if I did it right in windows 7. On the general window, do I need to put anything. Also in the alternate config window I put the settings. Is this right or am I FUBAR.

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Just to make this clear, NONE of my posts said it would increase your d/l speed
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Old 03-30-2010, 01:33 PM   #38
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When it comes to networking I am a idiot, I cannot get this to run for the life of me. I only get the following message

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Your router or internet service provider appears to be intercepting and redirecting all outgoing DNS request. This means you cannot benchmark or utilize alternate DNS servers. Please adjust your router configuration or file a support request with your ISP
I have tried using my ISP's ip, my routers etc. beyond that I don't know enough about this stuff to figure it out lol.
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Old 03-31-2010, 08:10 AM   #39
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With Virgin Media providing a fibre line which manages to keep my download rate at 20Mb/s (2.5MB/s) is it likely to give me any benefits? (my maximum bandwidth according to my package is 20Mb)
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With Virgin Media providing a fibre line which manages to keep my download rate at 20Mb/s (2.5MB/s) is it likely to give me any benefits? (my maximum bandwidth according to my package is 20Mb)
yes, if you do a lot of websurfing, it will improve your loading speeds significantly. but you wont download any faster.

also, its better to set it up in your router on the basic setup page. that way, all the devices on your lan can benefit from opendns.
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