Calling All ATI users

[ORL]

After the constant grumbling of all you ATI users about the software, I have an Ideal, We here at EOCF have probably 20,000 ATI users so I think a digital petition is in order. Not to mention our extended relationships with other forums, i.e. DFIstreet, would make us extremely influencial, if say we over loaded them with Nasty grams and pleas for improvement. I know its a long shot but we can influence them, I believe. What would it take to plan this? Maybe a specific email assault date?

[ZZDMAN]

what's so bad about ATI drivers? they come out every month (i think) with improvements...

[ORL]

There is just constant grumbleing about CCC i am wanting a little better native support, I would also like to be able to use ccc because when i had it working it was the only program that would actually change my settings, all the third partys would say they were but in atuality they wernt, i want more control of the card.

[ZZDMAN]

oh i might be satisfied cause i'm using modified drivers with the classic control panel

i don't like the CCC it's too much of a resource hog

[Alik4042]

Originally Posted by ZZDMAN

oh i might be satisfied cause i'm using modified drivers with the classic control panel

i don't like the CCC it's too much of a resource hog

Ya. Not to mention the 10secs it takes to load

ATI's overclock option is also messed the heck up. For example, it will tell you that your x850xt pe can go 680/590 on air. Sometimes it will just freeze ur pc when trying to find max overclock. when you apply, for example, the 680/590, it will simply freeze. Very messed up controls. If they couldn't do it right, why include it at all?

[Razorback]

I just sent them an E-Mail about how much CCC sucks about 20 minutes ago before I even read this thread. Maybe the rest of you should do the same. I basically said that it's unstable, and not user friendly and that if CCC becomes the standard and only version of the Catalyst software suite available I will be upgrading my video card and going to NVidia. Then I thanked them for their time.

[D_unruled]

yeah..I just switched from nvidia to ati...and I was like WTF is it even opening?

not to mention the fact that I COULDNT GET THE card or drivers recognized/installed properly, even after a clean install. In the end downloading the drivers from their site was FUBAR, I had to download 2 seperate installers. wtf is that about.

[AMDGUY]

Hmm, I've used ATI cards for some time, never had problems with the drivers or installing cards. I never use CCC either though, I don't oc the cards much, but ATI Tool seems to work for me.
Not really a fanboy of ATI, it's just how things worked out when I upgrade, as I buy used a lot of the time.

[Alik4042]

Originally Posted by D_unruled

yeah..I just switched from nvidia to ati...and I was like WTF is it even opening?

not to mention the fact that I COULDNT GET THE card or drivers recognized/installed properly, even after a clean install. In the end downloading the drivers from their site was FUBAR, I had to download 2 seperate installers. wtf is that about.

I'm thinking about going to Nvidia. They seem to be on top-o-things, with SLI being so stable unlike crossfire's bugs, and the 7800gtx 512mb being out. And Ati can't compete with Nvidia's prices. If you need a highend gpu, it's very smart to go with Nvidia at this point for their prices, Sli's stability, and performance. I guess liking ATI just cus of the cool colors aint a good enuf reason

[D_unruled]

Originally Posted by Alik4042

I'm thinking about going to Nvidia. They seem to be on top-o-things, with SLI being so stable unlike crossfire's bugs, and the 7800gtx 512mb being out. And Ati can't compete with Nvidia's prices. If you need a highend gpu, it's very smart to go with Nvidia at this point for their prices, Sli's stability, and performance. I guess liking ATI just cus of the cool colors aint a good enuf reason

I agree with you

(only reason why I just switched to ATI was because my brother gave me his old 3dcard, before that I had a gf3...and well...this card has better performance by far..)

[delas52]

Use the control panel version. There is a reason they release 2 versions of each driver. And if the .NET Framework is installed the CCC will work flawlessly. They have better driver support than nVidia IMO.

[Alik4042]

Originally Posted by delas52

Use the control panel version. There is a reason they release 2 versions of each driver. And if the .NET Framework is installed the CCC will work flawlessly. They have better driver support than nVidia IMO.

Says the person with a 7800GT, lol

[delas52]

Originally Posted by Alik4042

Says the person with a 7800GT, lol

I had a x800xl and a x300se before this

[Razorback]

Originally Posted by delas52

Use the control panel version. There is a reason they release 2 versions of each driver. And if the .NET Framework is installed the CCC will work flawlessly. They have better driver support than nVidia IMO.

Could you link me to a download of the non-CCC version of the latest 5.13 drivers? I couldn't find the regular version on ATI's site, which is what prompted me to send them an E-Mail on the issue. In fact, looking back through a few drivers releases on the ATI site, the most recent drivers with the non-CCC install is 5.11.

[delas52]

You seem to be correct.

Here you can download the latest drivers without CCC. However these are just the drivers, so no control panel or CCC. It will give you all the regular benefits of having the latest drivers but you wont be able to change the AA, Vsync, etc. settings anywhere.

LINK - http://www.short-media.com/forum/showthread.php?t=139

[Razorback]

Yeah I saw that, but you would have to agree that without the control panel it makes them pretty worthless.

I hope ATI gets their driver department in line or they're going to lose a lot of business.

[AkXb70]

i use the omega's for everything...much nicer imo

initially i just used them to softmod my 9800SE's, but i got hooked on them

[Xfacter]

Originally Posted by AkXb70

i use the omega's for everything...much nicer imo

I have been planning on getting the Omega Drivers... But I'm still waiting for him/her/them to release 5.13!

[AkXb70]

im usually slow with my updates (multiple computers)...so it doesnt bother me

[DevilSlayer1298]

Originally Posted by Alik4042

I'm thinking about going to Nvidia. They seem to be on top-o-things, with SLI being so stable unlike crossfire's bugs, and the 7800gtx 512mb being out. And Ati can't compete with Nvidia's prices. If you need a highend gpu, it's very smart to go with Nvidia at this point for their prices, Sli's stability, and performance. I guess liking ATI just cus of the cool colors aint a good enuf reason

Also seem to have forgotten that the ATI x1800XT is also 512MB. And that the 7800GTX 512 costs $700+ while the x1800XT costs ~$535 with the 7800 in the lead by a small margin mainly because of the 7800's higher memory clocks, which is narrowed by a pretty overclockable x1800. Even at stock clocks, performance is not that far apart, at least not large enough to justify $750.
As for SLI, few people are able to afford to buy 2 SLI enabled cards and I think that the performance you get from it is not worth the cost.

For the CCC, it works flawlessly for me. Doesn't take that long to load, maybe 4 seconds, and is stable. In fact, I think it does what it does pretty well. Tells you what each setting does, profile management. As for the OC part of it.....that part stinks. Thats what OC tool and ATI Tools is for.

I stopped with Nvidia at the GF4 Ti4600 when they stupidly made it with a 128 bit memory interface instead of the 256 bit interface the 9700 pro had (best card ever). I personally think both have equal driver support. Though, I agree that ATI was a little slow on driver support for the x1800, but they ran into a little problem just before it began production of it.