Tuniq Tower Sucks!

[DasFox]

Well I have this baby lapped nice, AS5 Ceramique, a nice thin layer, tightened the screws even and checked the threads, which are the same, and I know I put this on as good as you can, but still idle temps at stock volts are 31-33c

And under a load 2.8ghz 1.49v which isn't stable under Orthos shows the cores as:

Core0 45-55
Core1 55-61

Now at 1.49v those Temps I think SUCK!

My case temps are only 29-31 and I have plenty of cooling.

Well all I can say is this thing is over rated.

Additional Comment:

Here's the case with plenty of room to breath.

[joman2055]

what where your temps before?

[DasFox]

Originally Posted by joman2055

what where your temps before?

I haven't used this chip in any other HSF so I wouldn't know. I had a different stepping before that I overclocked a little, the idle where the same, but from what I remember the loads where pretty close.

All I think I'm seeing here is like a 3-5c difference at load possibly but not idle. Put it this way, the temps I posted for 1.49v at 2.8ghz don't seem good from what I've seen of other people.

Also I look at it this way, if the idle is not cooler then how is the load going to be cooler.

Meaning if my other HSF has the same idle as this, how are loads going to be different. I just don't see how you can start out with the same temps but getter better cooling at loads, BECAUSE if it's a better HSF then the idle is going to be cooler, it only makes sense.

From what I have experienced if the idles are the same typically I've seen same load temps.

[AruisDante]

You do realize that AMD's internal temp sensors are only calibrated to be accurate to within +-14*, right?

Use speedfan or something to check the temp, I bet it will be better.

[DasFox]

Originally Posted by AruisDante

You do realize that AMD's internal temp sensors are only calibrated to be accurate to within +-14*, right?

Use speedfan or something to check the temp, I bet it will be better.

I'm using CoreTemp, not good enough?

Every says it's the best with it sitting on the sensors giving the most accurate reading?

P.S. that AMD's internal temp sensors are only calibrated to be accurate to within +-14* as in ---> C? plus or minus 14c?

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I wonder if I should LAP the IHS?

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In this shot:



I only see one Core for Speedfan, is that Temp2 the other core? It seems like it to me.

THANKS

[AruisDante]

Yes, it was +-14*c

What happens to the temp on speedfan when you load the CPU? Also, do you have a fan on the tuniq, or are you running it passive?

[DasFox]

Originally Posted by AruisDante

Yes, it was +-14*c

What happens to the temp on speedfan when you load the CPU? Also, do you have a fan on the tuniq, or are you running it passive?

Ok HANG tight don't go anywhere, let me put it at 1.49v or 1.51v and run Orthos with Core Temp and SpeedFan running and I'll take a screen.

THANKS

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Here's 2.8ghz at 1.49v



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I have the fan on the Tuniq running Max- 1900-1962 RPM according to the bios.

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Well 11mins and failed at 1.49v

FATAL ERROR: Rounding was 0.5, expected less than 0.4

[901-Memphis]

Originally Posted by DasFox

Ok HANG tight don't go anywhere, let me put it at 1.49v or 1.51v and run Orthos with Core Temp and SpeedFan running and I'll take a screen.

THANKS

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Here's 2.8ghz at 1.49v



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I have the fan on the Tuniq running Max- 1900-1962 RPM according to the bios.

Can you try reseating it or is it as best as it can get?

Just doesnt seem right.

I would think it would have been high ambient temps or poor caseflow.

[DasFox]

901-Memphis I've taken it off and re lapped it twice, and followed this to make sure it's flat:

http://www.overclockers.com/tips1224/

This time I really made sure to put on a nice thin layer of AS5 Cerm. and I put the Tuniq on real nice even turns on the screws and checked the threads on both sides for evenness and I didn't tighten it hard at all, just enought to keep it still.

I know I put it on as best as can be.

You know I SWEAR I can smell a slight smoke/burn smell in the case, very very very faint, sometimes extremely hard to notice like you'd think you where imagining it, but I'm wondering if this chip is just bad.

Hmmm

[op1e]

This is why I'm not even trying aftermarket air cooling. These opty's run hot, and I'm not payin 50+ for a few c knocked off. Ghetto water here I come.

[DasFox]

Originally Posted by op1e

This is why I'm not even trying aftermarket air cooling. These opty's run hot, and I'm not payin 50+ for a few c knocked off. Ghetto water here I come.

Well I'm thinking I might have a bad chip is all.

But I'm looking at one of those CoolIT kits next I think.

But even if my Opty is a bit hot I'm surprised this Tuniq isn't doing a better job of cooling.

[AruisDante]

The IHS on the opty might be concave, not just the tower

[DasFox]

Originally Posted by AruisDante

The IHS on the opty might be concave, not just the tower

Well I'm not messing with it, plus with the smell in the case of a faint smoke smell doesn't seem good.

YES I know we overclock and that voids the warranty, but I know if the CPU dies and you send it back you can get another one, and if I sand the IHS there is no way you can send it back.

I just ordered another Opty instead and I'll just send this one back.

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Oh well here we go again, sheesh

[BlueWeasel]

With my X2 3800+ running at 2630Mhz with 1.45v on a Scythe Ninja (120mm fan), plus 3x120mm case fans, I get exactly the same load temperature of 57C when loading using Orthos.

I don't think anything is wrong with your chip, and the higher core temperature reading of 55-60C is simply because these programs, regardless of how great or accurate some people think they are, are just reading a relatively bogus temperature from the on-die sensor. AMD has said themselves the sensors on the chip weren't developed fully and are calibrated to be within +/- 15C. That's a range of 30C!

On my DFI Ultra-D, I think the sensors are grossly inaccurate because within 2 seconds of starting Orthos, my core temp jumps from 30C to 52C. I know the dualcore chips will heat up fast, but not a 20C degree jump in only a second or two.

Touch your heatsink when it's fully loaded. At nearly 60C, it should be pretty warm. Is it? If it's not, then I'd say those core temperatures aren't very accurate.

[DasFox]

Originally Posted by BlueWeasel

With my X2 3800+ running at 2630Mhz with 1.45v on a Scythe Ninja (120mm fan), plus 3x120mm case fans, I get exactly the same load temperature of 57C when loading using Orthos.

I don't think anything is wrong with your chip, and the higher core temperature reading of 55-60C is simply because these programs, regardless of how great or accurate some people think they are, are just reading a relatively bogus temperature from the on-die sensor. AMD has said themselves the sensors on the chip weren't developed fully and are calibrated to be within +/- 15C. That's a range of 30C!

On my DFI Ultra-D, I think the sensors are grossly inaccurate because within 2 seconds of starting Orthos, my core temp jumps from 30C to 52C. I know the dualcore chips will heat up fast, but not a 20C degree jump in only a second or two.

Touch your heatsink when it's fully loaded. At nearly 60C, it should be pretty warm. Is it? If it's not, then I'd say those core temperatures aren't very accurate.

Ok well, I put it at 1.51v for 2.8ghz, let me run Orthos and touch the HSF at the copper near the chip and see how it feels too.

I never thought about that, but I hope this darn chip is ok, and it's just a bad reading on the temps.

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Hey at 1.51 it's running the same temps.

Well even with my small hands I was able to put my finger on one part of the copper just above the chip and at 1.51v 2.8ghz with Core Temp and SpeedFan showing on the cores:

Core0 53c
Core1 59c

It just feels a little warm. There is nothing HOT at all to the touch. I'm starting to believe this AMD sensor thing now.

OH man I hope my chip is ok, and it is this sensor thing, because the HSF just feels a little warm to the touch.

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Isn't there any app out there given this sensor deviation, to know EXACTLY what the temps are then?

Because man how as an overclocker are we really going to know what is going on?

I mean this sucks then if we're guessing here.

[AruisDante]

Temp probes exist for a reason.

The motherboard's temp sensors are usually acurate, but in some cases they can be way off. My Conroe turned out to be running 10* hotter then I thought it was after eVGA released a BIOS with updated temp sonsor calibrations.

[DasFox]

Originally Posted by AruisDante

Temp probes exist for a reason.

The motherboard's temp sensors are usually acurate, but in some cases they can be way off. My Conroe turned out to be running 10* hotter then I thought it was after eVGA released a BIOS with updated temp sonsor calibrations.

Temp probes, what's that?

motherboard's temp sensors, from the bios? Or how do I read this, with the app that came with the motherboard?

Abit has uGuru to monitor the motherboard:

[Jimmer411]

Originally Posted by AruisDante

You do realize that AMD's internal temp sensors are only calibrated to be accurate to within +-14*, right?

Use speedfan or something to check the temp, I bet it will be better.

I always thought that those programs got the temperatures from the same probes that the bios does. Unless Im missing something I dont see how speedfan would get more accurate idle temperatures than the bios. Mine are always within 2*c of eachother, which could be because OS and other misc processes that arent running at POST screen etc...

[BlueWeasel]

Originally Posted by Jimmer411

I always thought that those programs got the temperatures from the same probes that the bios does. Unless Im missing something I dont see how speedfan would get more accurate idle temperatures than the bios. Mine are always within 2*c of eachother, which could be because OS and other misc processes that arent running at POST screen etc...

Well, in this case of the X2 and Opterons, the BIOS typically reads the socket sensor, not the core sensor. My socket temperature appears to be accurate when comparing my BIOS readings and Speedfan/SmartGuardian/etc

[AMDGUY]

Originally Posted by DasFox

Temp probes, what's that?

http://www.extremeoverclocking.com/r...puNurse_1.html

Something like that. ^^