The kids are all right with Linux

[AntiNazi]

Originally Posted by UNIXgod

compiz may become stable and one click eventually.

It's not?

It has been on every ubuntu (and xubuntu) install I have done on a box with a 3d card.

[UNIXgod]

Originally Posted by AntiNazi

It's not?

It has been on every ubuntu (and xubuntu) install I have done on a box with a 3d card.

Try setting it up outside ubuntu. It's definitely a different experience and very dependent on what video card and drivers your using.

[Th3_uN1Qu3]

Originally Posted by UNIXgod

But one thing we will always have. Stable and secure web servers. apache and mysql + (name your glue language (python,ruby+rails,perl,php)) are still the diggity bomb. Pure implementation of the networking layer and protocols as well as it's source.Aside from the fact that we have a complete and license free programming environment with all the necessary tools at the tip of our fingers. Which was the original intention of the GNU foundation.

Ditto. FREESCO on my old Fujitsu P1/133, 32 RAM, onboard ATi Graphics Xpression 2MB, 2x 3Com Fast Etherlink XL PCI, TrendNet switch makes for a great router. Been running for 3 years and the only times it was ever down were power outages, or when i was updating FREESCO.

And i love Python. Having it natively supported under Linux is awesome.

[AntiNazi]

Originally Posted by UNIXgod

Try setting it up outside ubuntu. It's definitely a different experience and very dependent on what video card and drivers your using.

you were discussing the "year of the linux desktop", ubuntu, and mark shuttleworth. I think it's fair to use ubuntu as the example distro given it's geared to the desktop, and it's the one mark shuttleworth is involved in.

[Clone of 501]

Meh when i installed ubuntu 8.04 on my laptop it freezes after 10 minutes all the time so i had to go back to windows. 7.1 or 7.2 forgot which number was the previous one, was perfect

[UNIXgod]

Originally Posted by AntiNazi

you were discussing the "year of the linux desktop", ubuntu, and mark shuttleworth. I think it's fair to use ubuntu as the example distro given it's geared to the desktop, and it's the one mark shuttleworth is involved in.

Sure. I'm sure ubuntu is set up by it's devs to cover our nvidia and ati needs. What about the rest. Betcha it's not one click!

[AntiNazi]

Originally Posted by UNIXgod

Sure. I'm sure ubuntu is set up by it's devs to cover our nvidia and ati needs. What about the rest. Betcha it's not one click!

yea, read the paragraph where you made the comment, you were the one bringing up shuttleworth and ubuntu...

Originally Posted by UNIXgod

This thread is an interesting thread. But it seem like the same "Year Of The Linux Desktop" blurbs I read weekly on /.

I do hope shuttleworth pulls of what he started with ubuntu. There is alot of tech moving forward nowadays. kde4 is on the horizon. compiz may become stable and one click eventually.

[UNIXgod]

Originally Posted by AntiNazi

yea, read the paragraph where you made the comment, you were the one bringing up shuttleworth and ubuntu...

I wasn't referring to shuttleworth and compiz together. Just because debian's apt utility is smart enough to get your binaries and alter system configs for you doesn't make compiz ready for stable release. when I made the reference to ubuntu and shuttleworth I was referring to ubuntu distro domination via third world countries. The original plan for his company back when the olpc laptop was just in conception and ubuntu was just starting to gain notoriety for a potential linux distribution for the lame man and masses.

The reason that compiz-fusion may be one click is simply because alot of people wanted it to aid in the advocacy of linux for the desktop. That's why it may be so simple to set up on your nvidia based machine. The debian devs put alot of work in that one. You need to remember compiz is basically beta and will be for a very long time even after another two or three forks and name changes later.

If you ever do compiz from a bare metal install you'll need to edit you own xorg.conf file or xfree86( if your that old) and set up the configs and windows managers yourself.

I didn't mean to confuse you with my statement. I should have expanded more in the sentence.

[Jason]

Yes, I run FreeBSD myself too, just on some dev boxes... I actually learned BSD before Linux...

Compiling a custom kernel in linux isn't too bad, usually whatever distro you use has some decent wiki documentation on how to do it. Yes the menu interface is by far the easiest. I usually take the default config (typically in the boot dir) and use that as my template (again, documentation will tell you how to copy and what to run to get it loaded), then add/remove whatever is necessary in the menus...

[VeoDigital]

Originally Posted by ythe1300

I'm thinking the same thing.

I helped a friend who is a system admin at a local private school get his system back together for this school year. It was a major pain in the rear. we would get computer back together everything would be running and then boom hardware issues ( HDD crashes mostly.... stupid maxtor HDDs... ) anyway we had to go to every computer and physically touch it to get the domain together, set up VLANs and other things to make it easier on him, so that he can just remote in and have it work. and everything is fine until windows crashes or the computer is turned off. plus we had to worry about all the windows licenses, have you ever thought about calling in 300 windows XP licenses keys it's scary. We figured out a way around it, but still. Anyways said all that to say that he's now thinking about making everyone use think clients.


I remember our high school used a program called fortress, it was a web nanny/system minder. To get around it you would just open task manager and quit the process tree, it never blocked it or reloaded.



I don't really ever use the schools computers anymore but, I remember sitting in the lab on my laptop and watching a guy get really angry at the printers ( they never used to work right ) he used our favorite password retrieval program and within 4mins had the printers back up and running properly, they still work last I checked. This is a major State run U by the way. I'm not saying that he could not have hacked through a Linux network and done the same thing ( actually I'm sure he could have ) but at the speed in which it was done, that is what gets to me.

yea this is why terminal services is a god send.

[tncekm]

Originally Posted by jbmcmillan

While it being a very cost effective solution to have just a linux environment not the greatest idea.Whether you linux guys like it or not most of the business world runs on windows.That's in the office I'm not talking servers etc..Sending them out there with no windows experience is a mistake in my opinion.

All of the Windows business tools that "most" people use (MS Office Suite) have very similar alternatives that can be had for free in Linux, i.e. OpenOffice.org software. In addition, I'd venture to say that most offices could run off of Google docs.

Computers are SO overpowered and overpriced for 95% of the population!

Additional Comment:

Originally Posted by AntiNazi

It's not?

It has been on every ubuntu (and xubuntu) install I have done on a box with a 3d card.

Yeah. it comes pre-installed in Ubuntu 8.04, all you have to do is "click" a button that turns it on. It is much better with the Compiz Manager though (which is also an easy install in Ubuntu).

I'd give Ubuntu 5 yrs or so and I say they have a relatively user-friendly product. Its still not general public friendly, yet, but its definitely work/school friend so long as there is some IT support for basic installs, etc.

Using Ubuntu and the programs that are isntalled is just as easy as any windows platform.

[rupchurc]

One of the best things ive read all day!

[Zeroblizzard]

Originally Posted by jbmcmillan

While it being a very cost effective solution to have just a linux environment not the greatest idea.Whether you linux guys like it or not most of the business world runs on windows.That's in the office I'm not talking servers etc..Sending them out there with no windows experience is a mistake in my opinion.

BUSINESS WORLD. These are little kids, like seven years old. They know nothing of the business world, let alone an advanced computer. I wouldn't (I don't know about you) push Vista on little children.

Besides, half the business world doesn't really know how to use Windows anyway. I know more people in cubicles that are computing imbeciles than kids that are computing imbeciles.

If I remember correctly, they're mostly old farts compared to the rest of us. But most of us here know Windows pretty **** well.

[Nagoshi]

Most kids today don't really know how to use a computer correctly. All they know is to open their default browser (no, Internet Explorer) and type in PR*N in the google box. They do know how to cry afterward when they got viruses.

I remember back when I was 3 years old, was playing Doom under DOS all by myself. Learned everything from Win 3.1 to Vista, except Win2000 and NT4, and if I had the slightest problem I would fix it myself. Now today kids just slam the reset button 4-5 times if the computer lags for more than 2 seconds.

I seriously hope the next generation is going to be quite better than the current one. Those lil farts thinks they're better than the older ones and that they knows everything.

Of course Im generalizing, I know there are "kids" that are really good with rigs and dont have a problem with the society.

Personally, Id install Linux in schools but keep some Windows rigs where we need it. The only way a Windows box is really useful is to play some games.... ^^' and I guess some programmation classes wont work with Linux too. IT may save some technicians alot of time and hassle trying to fix a non-working Windows rig, network filled with viruses and stuff. I remember, our computers at school had so much stuff installed (it was "needed") it took at least 2 minutes to start... and that'S when the computer was "**** fast". I doubt a Linux rig will have a load time longer than a minute, and there's never going to be any need for antiviruses and stuff to slow it down.